ISAF Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 The BPE is not an aircraft carrier It is a nose multimission that was acting as auxiliary aircraft carrier in the cases in which the PDA or his successor could not do it. THE BPE is not a civil ship. Applied ham military standards in the following critical elements: Communications. - interior Security and counter fires. - Depositos of ammunition. - Provisioning in the sea. - Tie and I drop anchor. - Systems of self-defense. - Defense NBQ. - Control and control. - electrical Generation. - Integration of helicopters and planes. - Stability. The price of the BPE (360 mill Euros) only includes the hull. Not estan included in the price: The radars LPI Lanza N System of combat (Scomba) Antimisil Defense (probably Is RAM), Neither counter measures ECM/ESM (Aldebaran F100 class) The systems IFF nor landing ships. Tactical links with the forces landed Neither systems of communications. The real price is of aprox 600 mill of Euros, which it is what there costs an Australian complete BPE. In Spain it is necessary to camouflage prices not to scare the pacifists..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 The BPE is not an aircraft carrier It is a nose multimission that was acting as auxiliary aircraft carrier in the cases in which the PDA or his successor could not do it. THE BPE is not a civil ship. Applied ham military standards in the following critical elements: Communications. - interior Security and counter fires. - Depositos of ammunition. - Provisioning in the sea. - Tie and I drop anchor. - Systems of self-defense. - Defense NBQ. - Control and control. - electrical Generation. - Integration of helicopters and planes. - Stability. The price of the BPE (360 mill Euros) only includes the hull. Not estan included in the price: The radars LPI Lanza N System of combat (Scomba) Antimisil Defense (probably Is RAM), Neither counter measures ECM/ESM (Aldebaran F100 class) The systems IFF nor landing ships. Tactical links with the forces landed Neither systems of communications. ISAF, they'll never understand it! The real price is of aprox 600 mill of Euros, which it is what there costs an Australian complete BPE. In Spain it is necessary to camouflage prices [u]not to scare the pacifists[/u]..... 'kin true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enrr Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 In quest'ultima immagine è proprio brutta. La prua (e basta) ricorda molto quella della Kutnetzov 600 milioni di €? Ora il costo è più sensato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick86 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) ISAF do u really think Spain will substitute Principes des Asturias? I know your navy has left the idea of two different groups, a strike group (named alpha and based on PdA) and an amphibious group (named Delta and based on the amphibious ship). Ho recuperato questa perla di Typhoon: Non basta un ponte continuo per "fare la portaerei" ... anche un trans ha le tette ma non è una donna ... Edited March 11, 2008 by Rick86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 che bagnarola è mille volte meglio il nostro CAVOUR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Brutta la è parecchio!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) che bagnarola è mille volte meglio il nostro CAVOUR C...o quanto è brutta!!!!!!!!!!!! EDIT Scusate il doppio post ma avevo il computer che dava i numeri!!!!!! Edited March 11, 2008 by pablo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 che bagnarola è mille volte meglio il nostro CAVOUR RICORDATEVI CHE SONO NAVI DIVERSE, CONCEPITE PER COMPITI DIVERSI. Poi... ogni scarrafone è bello a mamma sua! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorthex Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) a me piace molto ed anzi... trovo un cesso assurdo la nostra bagnarola con quel cannone sul ponte... roba da arca di noè! Edited March 11, 2008 by vorthex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolò Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Ma a voi risulta un gruppo di volo del BPE (quando si usa come portaerei) di 11 Harrier e 7 NH-90? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Ma a voi risulta un gruppo di volo del BPE (quando si usa come portaerei) di 11 Harrier e 7 NH-90? Nico ma pensi veramente che nei prossimi 30 anni la useranno come CV? ISAF (spagnolo) ha detto chiaramente che la considerano portaerei solo in situazioni di emergenza. Quindi gia tanto se lancerà 2 e dico 2 Harrier in qualche Destined Glory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick86 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Che cattivo che sei! Diciamo 4 dai... :asd: Invece questa è una cosa seria; si sa se gli spagnoli hanno intenzione di comprare l'F-35B o tireranno avanti cannibalizzando i loro harrier fino al 2030 o giù di lì? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enrr Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Al massimo la BPE la puoi usare come la LPH Boxer della USN Con soli 205 elicotteri Certo non potranno fare come usano le LHD5 Bataan con soli 19 AV-8B anche perchè non ce li hanno :rotfl: (e manco noi ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Bird Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 E' orrenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Che cattivo che sei! Diciamo 4 dai... :asd: Ma si, abbondiamo, tanto la loro economia va bene! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick86 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Ehi a proposito se gli americani i caccia li parcheggiano anche a prua su delle navi con un ponte paragonabile a quello del Cavour, chi ci vieta di far lo stesso? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISAF Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 In quest'ultima immagine è proprio brutta. La prua (e basta) ricorda molto quella della Kutnetzov 600 milioni di €? Ora il costo è più sensato. I have committed a mistake. The contract for 02 BPE of Australia costs 1.600 mill of Euros. 800 mill € (1.200 mill$) every equipped ship. This it is Final price http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:REPt2...;cd=2&gl=es The price offered by the Spanish Government only includes the hull of the ship. The systems of defense, radars, landing ships, equipments(teams) of communications etc etc etc belong(concern) to another budget item. Imaginative accounting... ISAF do u really think Spain will substitute Principes des Asturias? I know your navy has left the idea of two different groups, a strike group (named alpha and based on PdA) and an amphibious group (named Delta and based on the amphibious ship). Ho recuperato questa perla di Typhoon: It does not substitute the principal Aircraft carrier of the fleet. The Prince of Asturias is going to modernize in all those the this BPE ready to embark the Harrier II +. (Year 2009) The price of his MLU is 200 Mill of Euros. The PDA is modernized For 15 Years more. New Radars, system of combat, self-defense etc etc etc. The Navy before tape-worm two groups (Delta and Alpha) Now only has one GRUFLOT (group projection of the fleet) When the this ready BPE and the operative PDA again habra two principal groups of fleet. This an AOR of 20.000 Tn being constructed tn (Cantabria) for the group of battle of the BPE. AOR Cantabria AOR of 17.000Tn (Patiño) for the group of battle of the PDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISAF Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Che cattivo che sei! Diciamo 4 dai... :asd: Invece questa è una cosa seria; si sa se gli spagnoli hanno intenzione di comprare l'F-35B o tireranno avanti cannibalizzando i loro harrier fino al 2030 o giù di lì? The army of the Air studies to do a joint order with the Navy to buy F35 and to replace his EF/18 and Harrier II for F35.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick86 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Jesus, will u do something like the english harrier joint group? You known that thoose planes will rarely see your carrier's deck? Volete fare qualcosa come il joint harrier group inglese? Lo sapete che quegli aerei vedranno raramente i ponti delle portaerei? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISAF Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Ma a voi risulta un gruppo di volo del BPE (quando si usa come portaerei) di 11 Harrier e 7 NH-90? The UNAEM Unit airs embarked of the PDA 12 Harrier II + (17 available ones) (in times of peace) 3 Seaking SearchWater 6 Ab 212 3 Seakin SH3 In the prox future Nh90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick86 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 3 Seaking SearchWater It's your AEW platform? Are u planning to substitute them with the new EH-101 HEW (heliborne early warning)? Sono i vostri eliradar? volete sostituirli con EH-101 HEW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) It's your AEW platform? Are u planning to substitute them with the new EH-101 HEW (heliborne early warning)?Sono i vostri eliradar? volete sostituirli con EH-101 HEW? Si sono gli Sh3D con lo stesso radar del Sea King ASaC2 della Royal Navy. Non penso che lo sostituiranno a breve con gli EH 101HEW, dal momento che non hanno nemmeno quelli standard da trasporto/antisom. Poi nel futuro chissà... Edited March 11, 2008 by Marvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 In Spain it is necessary to camouflage prices not to scare the pacifists..... Don't worry, MMI had to hidden an entire aircraft carrier (GG) to pacifists and AMI. :rotfl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick86 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Yeah the real name is "airplane-carrier cruiser" to be intended as cruiser that can transport airplanes Incrociatore porta-aeromobili.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enrr Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Don't worry,MMI had to hidden an entire aircraft carrier (GG) to pacifists and AMI. :rotfl: The Japanese are telling even the biggest of MMI, with 16DDH Hyuga only for 4 helicopters :rotfl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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