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For some time I am interrested in aeroplanes/projects (militairy and civil) of the former Breda factory, its very difficult to find.

My interrests are: history/drawings/dimensions (as much as possible)/pictures/colors, but also construction details (and pictures/drawings which gives these details) tachnical information etc.

 

Not the Ba.65 and 88 because there I have already informaton/materials.

 

Is there some one who has also these special details concerning the first prototype of the Breda Ba.64 with the fixed landing gear and the first two prototypes of the Breda Ba. 27 which has both a wooden wing and had several differentes to each other.

 

Its a whole list but each detail is welcome.

 

Thanks

Jan

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For some time I am interrested in aeroplanes/projects (militairy and civil) of the former Breda factory, its very difficult to find.

My interrests are: history/drawings/dimensions (as much as possible)/pictures/colors, but also construction details (and pictures/drawings which gives these details) tachnical information etc.

Not the Ba.65 and 88 because there I have already informaton/materials.

Is there some one who has also these special details concerning the first prototype of the Breda Ba.64 with the fixed landing gear and the first two prototypes of the Breda Ba. 27 which has both a wooden wing and had several differentes to each other.

Its a whole list but each detail is welcome.

Thanks

Jan

 

Welcome. Do you write in English because you aren't italian? I'm sorry for my bad english.

In English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.64 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.27 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.201 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda-Zappata_BZ.308

 

In the italian descriptions there is more details, can you use a translator: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_A.7 (the list of all aircraft in the end of the page "Velivoli prodotti dall'azienda Società Italiana Ernesto Breda". click on "espandi".

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Hai Mustang

Yes I am not Italian, I am Dutch.

Thanks for the pages but I found them already.

The problem each book I could get here in the Netherlands about Breda I bought, but there is very little information. Mostly the Ba.65 and Ba.88.

I have tried the whole internet.

Now I hope to get in contact with people who has article from magazines and very old magazines/books (which I can not get) concerning several types.

Greetings

Jan

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http://www.italiankits.it/dorati201.html

 

here you can find all about the ba201 , for me the most "gorgeous" breda airplane

happy Xmas from Italy and from me

"BREDA Ba.201

 

 

Durante un giro di visite presso l’industria aeronautica tedesca, nel 07/39, una ns. missione ebbe la possibilità di visionare da vicino, presso la Junkers, lo Ju.87 “Sturzkampfflugzeug”, e, attraverso il ns. addetto militare aeronautico, riuscì ad avere una documentazione completa dello stesso. Il 28/09/38 lo Stato Maggiore della Regia emise un bando di concorso per un bombardiere a tuffo ( caratteristica richiesta: monomotore, monoplano e monoposto ). A questo concorso partecipò anche la Società Breda. Già a conoscenza delle caratteristiche del velivolo tedesco, attraverso l’opera degli ingg. Vittorio Calderoni e Mario Pittoni venne steso un progetto che, rivedendo il progetto tedesco, se ne differenziava però in alcuni punti importanti. La base prevedeva: una struttura interamente metallica ( con rivestimento in duralluminio ) con ala bassa “a gabbiano” a pianta trapezioidale bilongherone, con freni aerodinamici a doppia apertura sul bordo di uscita ed alette Handley-Page sul bordo d’attacco; fusoliera a sezione ellittica; carrello retrattile all’interno e verso il retro; motore DB.601 ( costruito su licenza dall’Alfa Romeo ) da 1.175hp. spingente un’elica tripala metallica Alfa Romeo; vano bombe interno per 500kg. di carico bellico. Inizialmente venne previsto un abitacolo in posizione arretrata, ma successivi studi lo fecero avanzare per migliorare la visibilità e parimenti il baricentro del velivolo stesso. Il prototipo ricevette la Matricola Militare 451, e nelle mani del collaudatore, com. Luigi Acerbi ( il quale aveva lasciato al 28/05/41 la 209°Sq. su Ju.87 in Puglia, destinato al collaudo del velivolo presso la ditta ), effettuò il suo primo volo il 03/07 sull’aeroporto di Bresso. Il 25/09 i collaudi raggiunsero le 13h ½ con 34 voli. Il 26/09 venne presentato in volo al gen. Mario Bernasconi. Il 08/10 lo stesso collaudatore lo trasferì in volo a Guidonia, presso il Centro Sperimentale, in 90’, e nello stesso giorno subì il collaudo militare. Nei giorni successivi venne provata sia la velocità minima ( il 20/10 ), sia l’affondata ( il 24-25-28/10 ), che la velocità massima ( il 29/10 ). Le prove portarono a definire l’aereo come ben riuscito e dotato di ottima stabilità. Il 31/10 lo stesso collaudatore lo riportò in ditta, ed il 01/11 effettuò una dimostrazione sull’aeroporto di Lonate Pozzolo presso il Nucleo Addestramento Tuffatori. Per motivi interni alla Breda i voli ripresero solo il 20/01/42, comprendendo anche il lancio di simulacri di bombe sullo stesso aeroporto. In data 02/03 il velivolo venne riportato a Guidonia per altre prove. Il collaudatore lasciò pertanto in carico al Centro l‘aereo dopo 94 voli ed un totale di oltre 40h. di volo. Purtroppo il ns. aereo ebbe una vita breve, in quanto un pilota, durante un volo, errò la manovra di richiamo ed il velivolo urtò il terreno riportando danni irreparabili. Contemporaneamente venne approntato il 2° prototipo ( realizzato con diverso vano bombe, ora esterno ), recante la MM.452, che effettuò il suo primo volo, sul campo di Bresso e con lo stesso collaudatore Acerbis, il 28/03. Il 04/05, dopo 8 voli di collaudo, venne trasferito a Guidonia in 80’. Tra il 22/05 ed il 13/06 vennero svolti tutti i previsti collaudi militari. Su richiesta dello stesso Acerbis, il velivolo venne assegnato al 97°Gr.B.T. per poter meglio controllare le sue capacità sul teatro operativo. Pertanto il 14/06 lasciò Guidonia e, attraverso Reggio Calabria, giunse all’aeroporto di Trapani-Chinisia. Il 15/06 si trasferì sulla base di Gela, dove però risultavano assenti le attrezzature per l’aereo. Pertanto il 16/06 non rimase altro da fare che riportarlo a Guidonia, dove vennero svolti ulteriori collaudi. Il 26/06 Acerbis lasciò l’aereo in carico al centro dopo aver effettuato complessivamente 27 voli per un totale di 19h. ½ . L’aereo a questo punto entrò nel quadro di dispute tecnico-teoriche, ma il colpo mortale alla produzione in serie venne dall’utilizzo del motore, quel DB.601 che risultava essenziale per alimentare la produzione di caccia. Per concludere, del ns. aereo si persero le tracce e nulla rimase di lui.

Giorgio Dorati( G.M.S. ) Documentazione: Apostolo – Brotzu – Caso - Cosolo – Thompson – Arena – Curami – Gambarini.

 

Le fotografie allegate riguardano: "

1), 2), e 3) Viste della MM.451;

 

you can try to translate ...

 

 

http://www.unilibro.it/find_buy/Scheda/lib..._e_inglese_.htm

a book about the breda 64/65

Edited by blue max

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Hai Blue Max

Thanks for the information, this site A have already found.

I spend a lot of time to find all kind of pages on the internet concerning Breda Aero planes, so I think that I have the most site's concerning Breda found.

Yes this type of aero plane looks very good, but like a lot of planes for Italy during that war to late and to little.

The page concerning that book is also interresting but at this moment is that book not available. I have seen it several time's and I am interrested in that book, so now and than I have took look.

If you have private books/magazines with information/pictures/drawings/etc.etc. concerning Breda planes, please scan them for me (if possible) and send them to my private mail.

Please not to low resolution.

I have the books of Ba.65 and Ba.88 of Ali Italia.

Thanks of have a nice christmas

Jan

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Hai Blue Max

Thanks for the information, this site A have already found.

I spend a lot of time to find all kind of pages on the internet concerning Breda Aero planes, so I think that I have the most site's concerning Breda found.

Yes this type of aero plane looks very good, but like a lot of planes for Italy during that war to late and to little.

The page concerning that book is also interresting but at this moment is that book not available. I have seen it several time's and I am interrested in that book, so now and than I have took look.

If you have private books/magazines with information/pictures/drawings/etc.etc. concerning Breda planes, please scan them for me (if possible) and send them to my private mail.

Please not to low resolution.

I have the books of Ba.65 and Ba.88 of Ali Italia.

Thanks of have a nice christmas

Jan

Ok

I will search somethings on my airplanes books.

Why this passion for Breda project?

Kindly regards again

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About 2 years ago I bought Ba.65 and some months later Ba.88 booth Ali Italia books.

Very interresting types and very unlucky.

About 3 or 4 months ago I read something about Breda sport planes from the thirties and this makes my interresting to the designs of that factory.

Because it were not only military designs but also civil and booth sport and bigger planes.

The biggest problem is, that, I think, there any books about the whole range of planes.

I hope I give you enough infomation.

Cheers

Jan

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The Breda Ba.65 and Ba.88 are well known with a lot of people, but the older types, trainer/sport planes are mostly unknown and/or forgotten.

Now I hope that some of the readers can help me with information.

My interrests are: history/drawings/dimensions (as much as possible)/pictures/colors, but also construction details (and pictures/drawings which gives these details) technical information etc.

I received th following list with types and books/articles and now I hope that there are any readers who has articles and in that case please send me a scan of that article (a little high resolution). Maybe some one knows people who can be of any help me so ask them to help me and/or give me there addresses?

Breda 19

BOOKS - Aerofan 58. Dimensione Cielo vol.10(Bizzarri 1974). Breda 25

BOOKS - Aerofan 1985. Dimensione Cielo vol.10(Bizzarri 1974), Notiziario Cmpr 1/2000,4/2000 Breda 27

BOOKS - Aerofan (4/1981). Avions 25,26,27. Breda 44

BOOKS - Aerofan 83. Dimensione Cielo vol.7(Bizzarri 1974). Breda 64

BOOKS - Aerofan 53(1990). Breda 65

BOOKS - Aerofan(1/1982,6/1988), Aerofan 71(Fiat A80). Adriano Visconti asso di guerra(Tuttostoria).Avions 30 to 35. Historic Plastikove Modelarstvi 7/1992. Il Breda 65 e l'aviazione d'assalto(Garello/Ateneo 1980). ModelWings n.13. Notiziario CMPR 14/15. Skymodel nr 3, 4. Breda 88 Lince

BOOKS - Dimensione Cielo vol.1(Bizzarri 1971). Notiziario Cmpr 2/2004. Notiziario IPMS 2/1981, 3-4/1998. Skymodel nr 3. Breda 201

BOOKS - Aerofan 91.

I know its a long list but each part is hulpfull.

Thanks

Jan

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I've merged and moved the discussion in "Velivoli Storici". Go on here!

 

By the way, it's not permitted to scan books or magazines because of copyright reasons.

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