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Y en AAW Spagna e superiore alla Italiana. 5 o 6 F100 Vs 2 Horizont

1 Dudo que el U212 sea supeior al S80..ya lo hemos discutido bastante. Prefiero al S80 2 Los S70 estan pasando una MLU, Upgrade de media vida. 3 Los S80 van a ser 6 4 Los Cazaminas son la Clase Segura. El Tambre es una de las 6 Unidades 5 El BPE puede operar con mas de 11 AVB II. De todas formas solo tenemos 17 ¿donde quiere llegar? La MMI mejor que la AE? En algun aspecto SI, en otros no.

Fracaso? Si resistio el impacto de dos misiles mientras realizaba labores de vigilancia!! A saber una Maestrale como se hubiera comportado... Un Fracaso es tener que alquilar aviones a la USAF....(tanto que hablan de independencia) Me refiero al Leopard 2E de Krauss-Maffei con licencia Santa Barbara Sistemas. Tanta potencia industrial para que luego llegue un "pobre" pais y le supere en PIB per capita? Que pena. España compra 104 NH 90 para el Aire Mar y Tierra y monta una fabrica de Eurocopter para suministrar sus propios helicopteros. El pedido inicial ya se firmo en 45 aparatos. Y como resumen: Si Italia tiene mas poblacion 60 Vs 45 y sobre todo Italia recibio una lluvia de millones de Dolares despues de la IIGM, mientras España quedo destrozada por su Guerra Civil y no recibio ni un solo centino. Cuando mas se necesitaba y cuando Europa se reconstruia con Dolares Americanos España tuvo que sufrir mucho. Y es ahora cuando despues de mucho trabajo se consigue superar a alguno de los grandes. No pretendo decir quien es mejor o peor. El post original se hablaba de las F100 Vs Horizont.

El Portaaviones principal de la flota. Esta a media vida operativa, se van a gastar 200 mill de euros en su MLU para dejarlo como nuevo hasta el 2015/2020 (cuando se sustituira por un CTOL o VSTOL), cambiandole radares, sistema de combate, actaulizando el Meroka etc etc etrc Y los Cazaminas son 6 modernisimas unidades de ultima generacion Y los Submarinos 4 S70 + 6 S80 actualmente en construccion. Y 4 Corvetas BAM en construccion Hay decenas y decenas de errores.

El proyecto de Fragata NFR 90 y posteriormente el NAAWS (NATO Anti-Air Warfare System ) resulto ser un fracaso y Spagna necesitaba un AWD, no podia esperar. De ahi salieron las F100. Cada pais tiene unas necesidades y las soluciona como mejor puede. Sobre programas de colaboracion conjunta Spagna-Europa. El material de defensa suele convertirse en Negocio Eurocopter Tiger/Nh90 EFA A400M A330 MRTT Pizarro/Ascod Scorpene Leopardos Advanced UAV Barracuda Misiles: IrisT/Meteor/Taurus etc etc etc Un saludo

El mundo de las compras militares es muy amplio. Japon Australia o Noruega compran sistemas Aegis ¿que problema hay? Lo mismo le pasa a Italia comprando Submarinos Alemanes.

The F105, possible F106 and F100 RAN takes the Baseline 8.1 (V) The F101 to 104 Baseline 7 Phase II. They were modernized in 2004 The modernization it is known like SP2 and this one finished Do you speak about the Illuminators Mk99? Remember that alone are use in the moment before the impact, the rest of the way is in use the SPY for guide of commands. Also remember(remind) that for targets inside the HR there are not necessary the MK 99 for what the number of simultaneous missiles in flight can be very much .

False: The F100/Atago/F100RAN and last Burke use the last technology Aegis: SPY 1D Baseline 7 PHASE II (year 2002) and SPY 1D V (year 2007) littoral radar upgrade http://www.navybuddies.com/weapons/aegis.htm http://informationdissemination.blogspot.c...01_archive.html

Every Illuminating Mk99 can guide 5 missiles simultaneously. Only they need guided in the last instants before the impact. For the rest it illuminates the ownproper Spy. The MK41 can launch 1 missile every 2 seconds The SM2 and ESSM are superior to the Aster Mas pre 15 and Aster 30 in several aspects. 1 More range 2 More warHead load 3 More capacity (cuadapack) 4 More resistant to the counter measures ECM because the guia the SPY with a power of emission of 6 million Watios 4 More furtive because they do not take radar that expresses(emits) signs that reveal his position. The target inside the HR (radio electric horizont) do not need from the Mk99 Nowadays and more years the Aegis is superior to the PAAMS. In the future the best PAAMS Ready please http://www.militar.org.ua/foro/viewtopic.p...asc&start=0

An important detail brings over of the scope of the Spy 1D The height of the panels in the F100 is superior to those of a Burke. In joint exercises, the F100 always they were detecting before the threats. With major time of response. The range for a F100 is 600 km Very information: http://enciclopedia.elgrancapitan.org/index.php/F-100 In conclusion: Both Ships are powerful AWD, with his advantages and his disadvantages. I consider to the top Horizzont in ones aspect and to the F100 in other ones Serious nice to see the PDA and to the GG doing exercices and escorted by these Frigates

Usted no tiene ni idea de lo que habla. Yo no voy a insultar a Italia ni dire mas cosas sobre su corrupcion. Hablamos de Fragatas. Primero: España SI tiene SM2. 112 SM 2 III/A y 36 SM2 III/B. Con mas alcance que el Aster 30 y desde mucho antes que Italia: Desde mucho antes. Tambien se compro un nuevi lote de 96 Misiles SMI MR VI para reponer en las Fregatuchas F80 Y por favor. España supero el PIB Per Capita a Italia. Comprendo que les moleste mucho, pero deberian de alegrarse de el progreso de un pais vecino. No entiendo tanta hostilidad. Somos amigos No? http://www.cincodias.com/articulo/economia...dscdieco_5/Tes/ http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/archive/i...hp?t-54050.html

Spy-1D = 320 Mn (600 km) range in F100 Frigates http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/Espa...pepinac_10/Tes/ http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragata_Clase...o_de_Baz%C3%A1n Misil Sm2 IIIA /B 150 km range aprox Little Bird Detection and follow-up of 100 simultaneous whites targets janes defense http://www.janes.com/defence/naval_forces/...gis010425.shtml

deagel.com http://www.deagel.com/news/FMS-Spain-Reque...n000002611.aspx http://www.deagel.com/Surface-to-Air-Missi...a001148006.aspx defense aeroespace http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bin/c...dele=release_ar The F100 have in initial endowment the SM2 III/A and now IIIB acquires missiles SM-2 block, with capacity of dual guide RF/IR for targets of high capacities ECM and below the HRE. (Horizon electrical radio) The price of every missile is of 1.750.000$ (Co-make on Spain )

A mistake: The range of the missile Sm2 is superior to that of the Aster 30: SM2 the III/ B and ER = 180 Km And his head of war is of 97 Kg of HE It is a very important detail !! Maximun Range Interesting the capacity of the Horizont to increase his VLS to 64 cells. I suppose that the difference of size has a lot of importance. 6.250 Tn Vs 7.000Tn The rest they are personal your opinions. Interesting but slightly impartial. F100 Vs Horizont: http://www.militar.org.ua/foro/viewtopic.php?t=15852

Frigates F80 Sta Maria they are units with half operative life. Nowadays hare suffering an important MLU to update his systems. They are not ships of the first line for scenes "hight) (as the Maestrale or DlP neither ) but if they are very useful units You have before FREMM that Spain the future F110, but they admit that Spain has for a few years of 4+1+1 Frigates F100 without rival in Italy or France or Uk. (Holland and Germany yes) Every country has own cycles of renovation of material. P.D : Spain buys Iveco MLV and the incredible Centauro 105mm Perfect!! Un saludo

It is not my intention to face to anybody, but already this well of insults. That if Hippies's country that if Pacifists. Better Pacifists that not corrupt mafiosoes. Spain overcomes the GDP per capita of Italy http://www.expansion.com/edicion/exp/econo...lo/1069718.html http://economy.blogs.ie.edu/archives/2007/...na_supero_a.php Stop insults please We speak about the F100 Vs Horizzont. http://www.militar.org.ua/foro/viewtopic.php?t=12305 Nothing more

The critical systems of the ship are constructed under military standards. Already I exposed more up. The electrical generation based on military standards. Similar in any Frigate or Submarine. The BPE is a ship different from the Cavour. An amphibian with capacity of auxiliary aircraft carrier. Cavour is better Aircraft carrier. Very interesant Lecture from BPE http://www.mnu.es/amnu_art1.htm

In AWD ? 5 F100 Chupa Chups Vs 2 Horizzont Mozarella?

Or pizza and mozzarella... Already make clear that Spain sells the USA (in material of defense) Airplanes Casa and A330 Mrtt etc etc etc Stop insulting please

I not to be so sure. The Spanish this Navy considered equal or superior to the Italian. Already explained my reasons of because the F100 are superior to the Horizzont. As you say: No hay mas ciego que el que no quiere ver. Certainly...Greece has a great Air force and his F16 Figthers are not to rent for USA.

It is like to say that the Horizont are like the Luigi Durand Of the Penne (D 560) but with VLS and Paams. It is not a question of allowing or not admitting. It is a question of debating. The F100 seem to me to be superior to the Horizont for the motives that I have exposed. Power of fire, reach etc etc etc. Another important information is that they exist +100 ships Aegis of very important Marines of the world (Japan Australia Norway Spain USA) that assure the development of the system in the future. It is a sure bet. Nevertheless I admit that Italy and France have been brave at the moment of developing his proper system of Combat and missile Bon journo

The illuminators MK-99 do not need to guide to the missile during all distance of flight, but only in the second ends of approximation to the aim!!! Itis to say. The missiles SM2 and ESSM are guided by the SPY up to the final moment of impact. This wants to say that the "enemy" not side where the missiles come. In case of the Aster if it sees it because his radar they emit signs. It is a detail to bearing in mind Every MK99 can illuminate 5 simultaneous missiles. But not during the whole distance. Only it is necessary instants before the final impact.

The Aegis this more developed that the Paams. Nowadays it is top and enough years more Australia has bought Frigates F100 with the Spy 1D inwardly of a few years. Japan and his Atago Noruega, Spain The Aster 30 is more maniobrable but his warlike load is low. His active guide is more vulnerably to the enemy ECMs that detecting rapidly A SM2 is more invisibly on not having had radar that expresses any sign. The ESSM is very superior to the Aster 15. It has mas scope and we can load 4 missiles in every cell (cuadrapack) F100 = 192 ESSM Horizont = 48 Aster Many more missiles and with mas scope. Better ship. The % of successes in an ESSM/SM2 is top on having had the powerful guide of the Ship, whereas an alone Aster has a small radar... Wherefrom you read this information of successes of the Aegis Paams? Some real source? Realized real exercise? Aegis is In the REAL exercises realized by the F100 they had a few successes of 98 %. The Freem are mediocre ships with scanty power of fire, some kind of mas have the Horizont, but far below of the noses Aegis. The Andrea Dorian are for below in capacities to the F100. Do you ask for the future? More countries work with the Aegis. There is mor of 100 ships of Norway Spain Japon Korea Australia and USA The development this one guaranteed. Sm3 and Sm6. Brutal!!!! The F103 I realize antiballistic tests successfully it does little. I authenticate AWD more superior of the Horizont class. Saludos

I do not understand very well his language it is a shame not to be able to answer him adequately... Then the Australians are very mad :blink: to entrust 3 or 4 F100 inwardly of a few years? And the Japanese?

He lacks the jewel of the wreath. The missile SM2 with 180 Km from scope;) 01 missile in every cell. A normal configuration for a F100 they are 24 Sm2 and 96 Essm The system cuadrapack the Mk41 allows to have of mas ammunition that the Silver Do not worry, the contracts of defense are kept always though it changes the government.