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Certain. Italy is a country more big and logically with mas budget. You buy Submarines to Germany and Spain does theirs;) Here also own things develop. Stop insulting please.

In it I agree. But in what I do not agree it is in saying that a Horizzont is superior to a F100. Saluts from Barcelona!

Hellow!! The Aster 15 is autonomous but your small radar is more vulnerably to the ECM and electronic counter measures that the powerful guide semiactive of the ESSM. The launchers VLS of the F100 are top: 4 ESSM for every cell MK41 s gives a potencia of fire very superior to an 01 Aster in every Silver 192 missiles ESSM F100 for only 48 missiles Aster 15 in Horizont or 24 SM2 and 96 ESSM for only 24 Aster 30 and 24 Aster 15 The missiles of the F100 are top: SM2 IIIA/ER and ESSM have mas scope that the Aster 15 and Aster 30 The power of the fire of the Spanish ship is crushing top. Authorization of USA is not nesesaria. Alone it in strategic weapon... Un saludo compañeros

Non. F100 very superior. The Aegis this more developed that the Paams that even he still has great It is mas powerfully Hismissiles have mas scope (SM2 ER) And it can load 4 missiles in every cell (ESSM) Antiballistic proven capacity Gyratory radar in the Horizont? Burke/Ticonderoga Kongo KDX F100 T45 Horizont The Zeven Provinzien F300 Saschen

102 Casa C295 vendidos a : España Polonia Emiratos Arabes Unidos Brasil Suiza Chile Tailandia China (Taiwan) Jordania Finlandia Portugal Colombia Argelia Many of them with the PERSUARER system http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASA_C-295 Certainly... the USAF buys 175 A330 MRTT made in CASA and 36 HC-235 MPA .

The F100 are VERY superior to the Horizzont as destroyers of air defense.(AWD) The Aegis is a very developed system and that the US NAVY continues using in his Burke. The last version Spy 1D V has a few capacities very superior to the Italian ships. Australia (F100 ) Korea, Japan, Norway Spain , USA The Freem are net low

450 Mill of Euros every Submarine. Development and manufacture. To part of the ESSM Spain takes part in the development of the Missile SM2 ER and other many systems. The American coast guard use the plane HC-235 Spanish The C-27J seems to me to be marvellous. I gain the contest of transport to the C295. On other markets it has gained the C295. Chile, Poland Portugal, Brazil, Finland, Jordan .. Certainly. Eads-Casa I gain the contest for 175 Tankers of the USAF.... And a thing more: Because so many rivalry? I do not deal because estan constant comparing with Spain and criticizing everything. That if the BPE that if the F100, the S80 etc etc I do not understand

In this article it describes thoroughly the BPE and explains that degree of technological military and cots is applied in the ship: As already explain before, the critical points of the ship are constructed under military standards since could be those of a Frigate or a Submarine. -Communications. - Interior Security and counter fires. - Deposits of ammunition. - Provisioning in the sea. - Tie and I drop anchor. - Systems of self-defense. - Defense NBQ. - Control and control. - Electrical generation. - Integration of helicopters and planes. - Stability. It is Amphibious Ship with good capacity of Auxiliary Aircraft carrier http://www.mnu.es/amnu_art1.htm

The cost is brought near because a project like that suffers variations along his development. Aprox 450 mill of Euros x Submarine. Certain, Spain buys the Aegis, in exchange co-fabrique the missile Essm and sells to USA planes HC-235 patrol martime And Especially 175 A330 MRTT of which CASA it is the person in charge of the design and great part of his Manufacture;) Sufficient? On the presentations of the AIP. The hydrogen is a material that needs specific facilities for his recharges, it is not possible to do in any port or naval arsenal. The Design of the S80 makes the Hydrogen of a reactor inside the Submarine, doing this way without the dangerous ones you recharge and winning in operability. Where it was recharging hydrogen the U212 when it becomes exhausted in half of a mission ....? On the acoustic signature there is no information. Top secret. I suppose that the manufacturers save themselves it. I suppose that the U212/S80 are different Submarines each one with his virtues and his faults *4 Submarines S70 (Agosta) suffering a MLU with new equipments and sensors

Very wrong friends The BPE is a modern combat Ship constructed with MILITARY technology in his critical elements Electronic Systems Combat Systrem Resistance and Stability War NBQ Security (fires impacts etc etc) Etc etc etc The elements COTS are used as in other many military noses of the whole world.

The S80 are very top to the U212 in propulsion AIP Develop a unique system of propulsion in which a lot of money is invested The Ethanol treats itself about a capable reactor of trasnform in Hydrogen and to do without the dangerous ones and slightly operative deposits inside the submarine. This one taken care They are very much big mas that the U212 and very much powerful mas in armament. To say that this Spain behind in naval construction when Italy buys German Submarines ..... The S80 like very much in Turkey, Norway and Australia as possible clients Un saludo!!

Il problema è che il prezzo del ll del BPE è del laminatoio approssimativamente 650 Mill € Quello è il prezzo di ogni BPE per Royal Australian Navy (1.200 milioni da entrambi) 360 euro milione di singolo presuuesto spagnolo include il casco poco e ma... Difettano di per includere i radar, i sistemi di difesa, le comunicazioni, l'elettronica etc etc etc È necessario da cammuffare i preventivi che affrontano il pacifists/ecologico. Una volta che costruito esso è quando i preventivi si spengono.

Quello non era un MLU, era riparazioni sistematiche. Il loro MLU allineare ha cominciato quando il BPE questo disponibile. Ciò stanziata in laminatoio 240 mill euro ed ha cambiato tutto quasi. Radar, battaglia del sistema, difesa elettronica etc etc Al momento il PDA questo nel Brasile nelle manovre Hispano-Brasiliane (Spabras 2008)

Immagini dello S80 nella costruzione. La verità è molto poca imagini La segretezza eccessiva è massima. Pricipalmente riguardo al sistema di propulsione. Il Español sottomarino è stato offerto Turkia, in Australia, in Norvegia ecc ecc ecc Pais: Spagna Unidades: 6 ( 4 aprobadas 2 propuestas) Displazamento: 2.426 Tn 50-60 Días de Navegación en Superfície 20-30 Días de Navegación en Immersión Autonomía Desplazamiento 8000 km Autonomía Reactor AIP: 15 Días Armamento: 6 Tubos lanzatorpedosde 533mm Torpedos DM2/A4 Multipropósito Torpedos Mk48 Antisubmarino Misiles antibuque Sub-Harpoon bolck II Misiles tácticos Tomahawk Tac - Tom

Ci sono foto graziose ma del BPE. Non sostituisce il PDA. Scelga quando questo non questo attivo. Il PDA sta andando a surir un MLU profondo in 2009. El Cavour is more Beautiful

This photo is of 02 BPE for the Royal Australian Navy. They belong lightly different from the Spanish. The BPE of Spain I design to take the F35B from the beginning, elevators, Sky jump, ramp, track, etc etc etc Australia at the moment was using it since helicopter-carrier

The UNAEM Unit airs embarked of the PDA 12 Harrier II + (17 available ones) (in times of peace) 3 Seaking SearchWater 6 Ab 212 3 Seakin SH3 In the prox future Nh90

The army of the Air studies to do a joint order with the Navy to buy F35 and to replace his EF/18 and Harrier II for F35....

I have committed a mistake. The contract for 02 BPE of Australia costs 1.600 mill of Euros. 800 mill € (1.200 mill$) every equipped ship. This it is Final price http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:REPt2...;cd=2&gl=es The price offered by the Spanish Government only includes the hull of the ship. The systems of defense, radars, landing ships, equipments(teams) of communications etc etc etc belong(concern) to another budget item. Imaginative accounting... It does not substitute the principal Aircraft carrier of the fleet. The Prince of Asturias is going to modernize in all those the this BPE ready to embark the Harrier II +. (Year 2009) The price of his MLU is 200 Mill of Euros. The PDA is modernized For 15 Years more. New Radars, system of combat, self-defense etc etc etc. The Navy before tape-worm two groups (Delta and Alpha) Now only has one GRUFLOT (group projection of the fleet) When the this ready BPE and the operative PDA again habra two principal groups of fleet. This an AOR of 20.000 Tn being constructed tn (Cantabria) for the group of battle of the BPE. AOR Cantabria AOR of 17.000Tn (Patiño) for the group of battle of the PDA

The BPE is not an aircraft carrier It is a nose multimission that was acting as auxiliary aircraft carrier in the cases in which the PDA or his successor could not do it. THE BPE is not a civil ship. Applied ham military standards in the following critical elements: Communications. - interior Security and counter fires. - Depositos of ammunition. - Provisioning in the sea. - Tie and I drop anchor. - Systems of self-defense. - Defense NBQ. - Control and control. - electrical Generation. - Integration of helicopters and planes. - Stability. The price of the BPE (360 mill Euros) only includes the hull. Not estan included in the price: The radars LPI Lanza N System of combat (Scomba) Antimisil Defense (probably Is RAM), Neither counter measures ECM/ESM (Aldebaran F100 class) The systems IFF nor landing ships. Tactical links with the forces landed Neither systems of communications. The real price is of aprox 600 mill of Euros, which it is what there costs an Australian complete BPE. In Spain it is necessary to camouflage prices not to scare the pacifists.....

Distribution of the load of work for new Airbus MTRR between the USA and Europe

Modernization of the Frigates F80 finished: F81 F82 F83 F84 F85 Y F86 Incorporates the last version of the SM-1 block VIB New ESM of last generation, derived from the system Aldebaran (F100 class) Modernized system combat, there interferes the Scomba Substitution of the radar for a new Lanza N New consoles New IFF Direction of shot Mk92 mod2 and mod6 with modernized Modernized of the system of communications and satellite Satcom Retreat of the Towed Sonar Tactas (though it remains in 02 unit) F80 MLU Submarino S80 The program of modernization includes the Prince of Asturias. The principal fleet: 5 or 6 F100 (6.250 tn) 6 F80 MLU (4.100 Tn) AOR Patiño (17.000 Tn) AOR Cantabria (19.500 Tn) Aircraft carrier Prince of Asturias (17.500 Tn) LHD/Portaaviones Juan CArlos I (27.000Tn) 6Submarinos S80 ( 2.400 tn in construction) 12 Corvetes BAM (2.500 tn)

F105 and F106

Su industria di difesa è ma potente che gli Spagnoli, ma voi inoltre rendono ad armi americane come il F35. La Spagna nel ritorno fa i relativi propri sommergibile S80, A400 m., leopardo IIE, Pizarro NH90 tigre Etc etc Indagine in tutto il mondo circa il destroyer migliore del mondo. http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/naval-for...te-frigate.html Il Horizzonte è una buona barca, ma dietro lo Burke, Ticonderoga, Kongo, Atago, AWD, KIDD III, Type 45 F100 and Zeven Provincien Il F80 è fatto in Spagna e il F100 inoltre.

Buon, dalle metà le fanno con il francese e singolo per 2 Horizzonte. Molto pochi. Questo ordine qualche gente dice che è per il F105 e il F106 e gli altri per il F106 e il F107.