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Gli M5 ebbò sono allo sbando mentale;  per la scolaretta

https://www.borsaitaliana.it/borsa/notizie/radiocor/prima-pagina/dettaglio/nRC_01022019_2016_697156474.html

Capito ? Il programma è  " ...forse troppo impegnativo... " e quindi " ...stanno ancora valutando... " :rotfl:

Per fortuna " .... non è sbagliato .... " .

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In realtà rispetto agli anni passati non mi pare per nulla "scathing". Anzi, c'è un aperto riconoscimento dei progressi fatti. In effetti già solo il fatto che il report sia lungo 14 pagine, quando 2 anni fa erano 60, è indicativo.

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Nonostante l'ennesimo rapporto non del tutto favorevole del DOT&E ...

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Despite a Director of Operational Test and Evaluation report that said the F-35’s readiness hasn’t much improved in the last year, the Air Force thinks it can get its fleet up to an 80 percent mission capability rate by the end of the fiscal year, as directed by former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis.
That assessment came from Lt. Gen. Arnold Bunch, USAF’s top uniformed acquisition official, who spoke to an AFA industry audience Friday.
“We’re pushing” for the 80 percent mark, “and … we believe we can make that,” Bunch said. 
“We’re not going to be 80 percent with everything,” he conceded, but we will achieve that goal “with our combat-coded aircraft” in the F-35 fleet, as well as in the F-16 and F-22 fleets. 
The DOT&E report gigged the F-35 program’s sluggish improvement in availability, but the Pentagon has acknowledged that newer jets off the line are performing far better than early production models.

Fonte: airforcemag.com ... Bunch: Air Force Can Get F-35, F-16, and F-22 Fleets to 80 Percent Mission Capable Rate ...

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Il 2/2/2019 in 13:24 , Flaggy ha scritto:

 

Convincente come l’oste che dice di bere il suo vino, quello che però gli fa schifo...

Si, questi sono convinti sia una spesa inutile, come lo era l’Ilva (alla fine non l’hanno chiusa), il TAP (non l’hanno fermato) e la TAV… Dopo le prime due retromarce, con Salvini addobbato da operaio della TAV e l’opposizione a favore,  rischiano di prendere la terza sportellata in faccia…

Hanno detto no a tante cose, fatto tante promesse che non sono in grado di mantenere e ora che sono nella stanza dei bottoni cominciano ad accorgersene, visto che perdono voti a vantaggio di chi è più bravo di loro, ma “forse” solo a vendere l’aria fritta…

L’ha detto anche Conte alla Merkel, che i 5S stanno cercando qualche argomento per recuperare nei sondaggi…

Perché dunque rinunciare a qualche (in)deciso proclama pre-elettorale sul vecchio cavallo di battaglia antimilitarista del NO all’ F-35, puntando a intortare l’elettorato qualunquista o pacifista a cui men che meno frega qualcosa del nuovo clima da Guerra Fredda che si sta delineando?

I programmi aeronautici abbracciano archi temporali amplissimi e la speranza dell’F-35 in Italia può essere quella di riuscire a sopravvivere a questo governo che naviga a vista (come tutti quelli precedenti beninteso...) e a questa ondata di politica fracassona e qualunquista al di qua e al di là dell’Atlantico, che si è dimostrata più adatta a sfasciare che a creare.

Il futuro è molto incerto e se da un punto di vista tecnico-strategico la soluzione ideale sarebbe quella di proseguire col programma F-35 e prepararsi al futuro con una partecipazione ad un programma congiunto europeo, la realtà è molto complessa e scegliere se stare coi britannici o coi francesi per l’aereo del futuro suona strano, quando non siamo manco capaci di stare con chi abbiamo scelto in passato per l’aereo presente…

Logica vorrebbe partecipassimo a qualcosa di più condiviso possibile a partire dal Tempest britannico, se non altro per il coinvolgimento della parte britannica di Leonardo, ma la stupidata tutta inglese della Brexit, l’anacronistica grandeur tutta francese e il menefreghismo tedesco nei confronti dei temi della difesa, creano un cocktail indigesto se unito alla politica italiana, oggi in grado solo di produrre vuoti proclami e tante belle analisi costi-benefici.

Corre verso la meta chi sta unito con convinzione e pragmatismo. Senza si va solo a sbattere.

Scusate se quoto tutto, ma sono d'accordo su ogni singola parola!

Mi chiedo perchè questo governo debba mettere il becco su tutto. Perchè un ministro dell'Interno debba vestirsi da ufficiale dell'Aeronautica, da calciatore, da operaio, da poliziotto...visiti i chiari di luna, alla prossima, mi aspetto si vesta da operaio della Leonardo o della FACO?

Perchè il Ministro del Lavoro si concentri tanto sulle spese militari, facendo dichiarazioni per il popolino via Facebook. Perchè persone non preparate diano fiato alla bocca per bloccare ogni cosa di cui non sanno nulla, perennemente in campagna elettorale ... 

L'Unione Europea, non esiste, si vede anche in questo. Ogni nazione si sta facendo i suoi interessi. Mi pare di capire che Francia e Germania potrebbero sviluppare un loro caccia...

A logica, all'Italia, converrebbe proseguire "spedita" col programma F-35 

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463 km? Seriamente? pensavo fosse una bomba  planante..

 

Edit: leggo adesso "powered version" suppongo abbia un motore quindi..

 

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Carico notevole , ma la varietà di ordigni è ancora limitata a derivati intelligenti delle bombe classe Mk 82 , 83 , 84.

Bisognerebbe piuttosto valutare la possibilità d'installare missili da crociera ( Storm shadow e simili ) ,  antinave , antiradar  e armi per il CAS ( sul tipo Hellfire o Brimstone ) .

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MRO ... e gli Inglesi faranno la parte del leone ...

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Second Round Of F-35 Maintenance Work Contracted ...

Tony Osborne - Aerospace Daily & Defense Report  (AW&ST) - Feb. 13, 2019 

LONDON - Industry in Denmark, Israel, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, and the UK have secured component repair work for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
Work assignments for the maintenance, repair and overhaul work on some 400 repairable items including avionics, life support systems, landing gear, pumps and power systems for the aircraft was issued by the F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) on Feb. 12. 
Under current plans, the F-35 enterprise is awarding contracts for more than 770 repairable items on the aircraft.
The first batch of 65 of these contracts was issued in late 2016 for so-called high-value electrical components, fuel, mechanical and hydraulic systems, and ejection seats.
Having secured the lion’s share of the first round of contracts, British industry has also grabbed a significant proportion of work in the second, British government officials have confirmed
This will lead to the creation of additional jobs at Sealand Support Services Limited (SSSL), the joint venture established between BAE Systems Northrop Grumman and the Defense Electronics and Components Agency (DECA). 
It will carry out the component repair work at its facility in Sealand, Wales, to support European operators of the aircraft.
The MRO work is due to start at Sealand in 2021. 
The additional work is said to be worth around £500 million ($643.6 million).
“From 2021, there will be hundreds of F-35s flying across the globe and SSSL will be central to sustaining operations in the European region and around the world, providing essential MRO services,” SSSL managing director Rear Adm. Rick Thompson said.
“These global repair assignments will get F-35 parts into the hands of maintainers faster so they can fix and sustain aircraft more efficiently,” said Vice Adm. Mat Winter, the F-35 program executive officer.
The contracts are part of the F-35’s Global Support Solution. The JPO says that participating nations have been provided with requirements outlining repair needs for F-35 component workload. 
Each country was then given the opportunity to work with industry to submit responses. 
Regional considerations such as forward basing, aircraft phasing, and transportation have contributed to assignment decisions.
Work assignments will be reviewed and updated as required by the program, the JPO says.
Under current plans, the assignments awarded in Europe will support the worldwide fleet. 
But as F-35 operations in the Asia-Pacific region pick up pace in the mid-2020s, component repair support services will also be established in that region. 
So far, the JPO has issued assignments to industry in Australia, Japan and South Korea.
BAE also picked up F-35 overall component work for its facilities in Australia.

 

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Bestia , e qualche particolare in più :

http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/mondo/f-35b-missione-addestramento-modalit-bestia-1645184.html

https://it.euronews.com/2019/02/14/f35-gen-vecciarelli-indispensabili

L'infomation security citata da " the general "  serve a solleticare the  grillins ? ( abuso d'inglese maccheronico , tipico delle nostre FFAA   :D)

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In arrivo i lotti 15, 16 e 17 ...

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The F-35 Lightning II Joint Program Office intends to solicit and negotiate multiple contracts to buy 485 stealth fighters from Lockheed Martin.
The negotiations are for aircraft to be built as part of production Lots 15, 16 and 17, the Department of Defense office said in a notice posted online 13 February announcing its intent to begin bargaining. 
The contracts would provide for long lead time materials, parts, components, initial spares, and labour, as well as production and testing equipment.

Fonte: flightglobal.com ... DoD to begin negotiations to buy 485 Lockheed Martin F-35s ...

Intanto ... gli Inglesi esultano ... 

... gov.uk ... UK wins global F-35 support assignment worth £500M ...

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F-35 ... primo rifornimento in volo da un KC-46A ...

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The Boeing KC-46A Pegasus air tanker refuelled a Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II for the first time over California.
The tanker connected to the fighter aircraft with its refuelling boom on 22 January, marking the first time the Pegasus has refuelled a stealth aircraft, says the US Air Force. 
The KC-46A will also have to prove it can refuel the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit.

L' articolo prosegue qui: flightglobal.com ... Boeing KC-46A refuels stealth aircraft for first time ...

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Il DoD assegna un contratto a Northrop Grumman Australia ...

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Northrop Grumman Australia was awarded a contract by the US Department of Defense for maintenance, repair, overhaul and upgrade (MRO&U) work on Lockheed Martin F-35 fighters stationed in the Asia-Pacific region.
Northrop Grumman Australia, as well as BAE Systems, Moog, Ruag, NIOA, Survitec, and GE Aviation, will provide services for 13 of 17 MRO&U component repair technology groups assigned to the Asia-Pacific region, the company said on 22 February (*)
The value of the contract awarded to Northrop Grumman Australia was not disclosed.

L'articolo prosegue qui: flightglobal.com ... Northrop Grumman Australia’s F-35 repair work outlined ...

(*) ... Northrop Grumman Selected to Continue F-35 Program Mission Critical Work ...

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Come al solito : gli aussie   🇦🇺   decisi  💪       , l'italietta    🇮🇹      M5 ebboh   🐔  .   

Per inciso il personaggio che diceva queste cose

vedi filmato in  https://www.giornalettismo.com/archives/2695285/f35-volpi

è lo stesso che fa queste cose

vedi filmato in :   http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/politica/tofalo-critica-cocer-video-hitler-forza-italia-dimissioni-1650505.html

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Scambio di cortesie ... :sm:

Russia to Goldfein: If F-35s Enter Our Airspace, “Remember Vietnam” ...

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The Russian Embassy in the US tweeted a cryptic message to the US Air Force and Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein on Friday, pairing a threat against Joint Strike Fighters that enter Russian airspace with propaganda-like video footage. 
The tweet stated that if the country was to detect an F-35 Lightning II within its airspace, it would tell Goldfein to “remember Vietnam.” 
It proceeded to caution that one of the Lockheed-built fighters would “never be alone.” 
The attached video included footage of an aircraft being shot down. The message and video weren’t cross-posted to any of the embassy’s social media sites, and Goldfein didn’t immediately respond. 
As of press time, the tweet had been shared hundreds of times, and the video racked up more than 50,000 views.

- Jennifer-Leigh Oprihory

 

 

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Si punta a ridurre non solo il costo di aquisto, ma anche di gestione da 35000 (credo comunque riferiti agli ultimi lotti...) a 25000 dollari per ora di volo entro il 2025.

https://www.janes.com/article/86857/avalon-2019-lockheed-martin-aims-for-reduction-in-cost-of-f-35-flying-hours-lower-sustainment-costs

Non penso sia un caso che Lockheed Martin diffonda queste notizie proprio ora, considerato il polverone sollevato dalle dimostrazioni di interesse del Pentagono nei confronti dell'F-15X, che è stato presentato da Boeing con costi di gestione di 27000 dollari ora.

Intanto dalla Recente Red Flag sembra ci siano conferme del fatto che gli avversari vengano buttati giù come mosche.

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The 388th FW debuted the F-35A Lightning II at Red Flag in 2017 and came away with a 20:1 kill ratio. The jet is even more capable now, pilots say.

“We have an upgraded software suite that has improved our sensor fusion. We’ve got an expanded flying envelope with more maneuverability. We have the ability to employ more weapons, including the 25-mm cannon,” said Lt. Col. Yosef Morris, 4th Fighter Squadron commander. “When you couple those things with the two years we’ve had to improve our tactics, we’re bringing a much more lethal F-35A to this Red Flag and ultimately to the battlefield.”

https://www.acc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1740800/lethal-f-35a-heading-to-red-flag-19-1/

 

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A proposito di F-15X ... qui si parla di un caso di preveggenza ...

 

L'articolo ...

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U.S. Considers Up To 72 New F-15s Or F-16s ...
Bill Sweetman - Aerospace Daily & Defense Report (AW&ST) - Nov. 19, 2015

LONDON — The U.S. Air Force may solicit bids for 72 new Boeing F-15s, Lockheed Martin F-16s or even Boeing F/A-18E/Fs as budget issues put planned production rates for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter out of reach, according to senior service and industry officials at the Defense IQ International Fighter Conference here.
F-15s and F-16s are now expected to serve until 2045, when an all-new aircraft will be ready, and plans to modernize F-16s with active electronically scanned array radars and other improvements are being revived.
The conference was run under Chatham House rules that prohibit identifying specific speakers.
The U.S. Air Force “is struggling to afford 48 F-35s a year” for the first years of full-rate production, a senior officer says. 
The program of record shows the service buying 60 aircraft in 2020, rising to 80 per year soon after that. 
Consequently, F-15s and F-16s will serve longer and will outnumber F-35s and F-22s through the late 2020s.
The service is looking at a three-tier force, with 300 F-16s and some F-15s being modernized “to augment the F-35 and F-22 in a high-end fight” and others assigned to low-end operations, while the contemplated 72-aircraft buy (an Air Force wing) would sustain force numbers and provide additional modern aircraft. 
Although “the last time we looked, this was more expensive than buying F-35s in bulk,” the senior leader says, the issue is being re-examined.
An industry official confirms the Air Force has asked for pricing data on new F-15s along with life-extension and upgrade options, including fitting in-service aircraft with new wings and rebuilt fuselages. 
The U.S. Air Force activity parallels U.S. Navy fleet planning; the Navy, likewise, is considering reductions in the planned F-35C production rate to fund life-extension efforts for the Super Hornet.
The production phase of the Combat Avionics Program Extension Suite (Capes) upgrade for the U.S. Air Force F-16 force was canceled under the fiscal 2015 budget, but development of its major elements is continuing for Taiwan, with South Korea and Singapore expected to join the project. 
The U.S. Air Force plans to seek money to upgrade its fleet in small batches, according to the service leader.
Also under consideration is a plan to augment U.S. Air Force electronic attack capabilities by fitting some F-15Es with a version of the Raytheon Next Generation Jammer pod, the Air Force leader said.

 

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On 2/26/2019 at 7:07 AM, TT-1 Pinto said:

:D

Pero' che un singolo radar sia in grado di gestire lancio e abbattimento di un F-35 non lo dicono nemmeno i cinesi eh. :) 

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Figuriamoci allora cosa combinano se arrivano 2 F-35 !

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