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19 ore fa, engine ha scritto:

Non è bello ciò che è bello , è bello ciò che piace.

A quelli che lo pilotano , lo F-35 piace.

In realtà i filmati su You Tube  mostrano che l'aereo ha   maneggevolezza e  controllabilità molto buone .

Dal punto di vista meccanico / aerodinamico, lo F-35 appare più maneggevole di un Tornado , specialmente quando il carico è imbarcato all'interno e non sporca l'aerodinamica ma, soprattutto , ha un motore con i fiocchi.

Certo non manovra come un Typhoon ,  considera però che lo scopo principale è quello di sostituire lo F-16 dei block 40 e 50 che sono quasi dei bombardieri tascabili.

Nei sogni dei generali dell'USAF la superiorità aerea doveva essere mantenuta dagli F-22 ; visti i risultati mi sa tanto che dovranno affidarsi alle Aquile ancora per un bel po' .

Grazie mr. Engine per la risposta.

Oltre che abile sul piano tecnico aurenautico sei anche bravo sul piano dialettico.

Ci sono 339 pagine di discussione ufficiale sul F35 in cui si è scritto e detto di tutto, e credo solo l astrazenaca ha ricevuto più critiche dai mainstream della stampa non specializzata del Lightning II. Per un aereo con il suffisso F progettato JSF essere più maneggevole del Tornado dovrebbe essere il minimo non un merito, però certamente i piloti sono contenti del mezzo. 

Come CACCIA il F35 ha senso in condizioni di day 0 o day 1 in un conflitto alta intensità o con modalità  BVR tipiche degli aerei furtivi quali First look first shoot first down. ( dove mi pare nelle esercitazioni detenga un invidiabile 15 a 1) nel doghfight più volte è  stato abbattuto da F15 e F16 (ultima volta 2018 con tanti di giornali a strombazzato la cosa, ricordo una red flag dove 2 Jaguar RAF "abbatterono" 2 F15 senza clamore mediatico)

Ma neanche questo ha una rilevanza determinante ( a mio modesto avviso sempre, non è una legge dell universo e non la spaccio come tale) ma come dico a mio figlio sempre di anni 14 tu farai un mestiere da grande che abitualmente non esiste, e così l F35 è in grado di sostenere scenari di guerra che attualmente noi non possiamo concepire nella loro interezza.

Detto questo , come bellezza ( è sono quasi certo come inviluppo di volo, non sto dicendo come efficienza) meglio un Mirage 2000 che l F35. Esteticamente non amo gli stealth , le anticipazioni di FCS  TEMPEST E vari caccia asiatici spesso mi sembrano così simili  da sembrare lo stesso mezzo in diverse pose. 

Però come dicevi giustamente tu..de gustibus non est disputandum..altro concetto per ribadire che la bellezza è  soggettiva.

Buona serata a tutti 

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Il 19/4/2021 in 19:00 , LAtoccoPIANOcal155 ha scritto:

Grazie mr. Engine per la risposta.

Mr ? ....:blushing:

Su , non siamo così formali , myold ( vecchio mio ) .

Certamente la maneggevolezza è tipica di un caccia puro ( durante la 1a guerra mondiale i piloti italiani preferirono lo SPAD francese allo SVA nostrano perchè più maneggevole, anche se più veloce; poi lo SVA divenne un ottimo strike/ ricognitore ) . 

La maneggevolezza , tuttavia , può essere utile anche a un aereo d'attacco per attuare manovre di autodifesa o di disingaggio, nel caso la macchina dovesse essere aggredita a breve distanza. Contro i caccia di 4a   generazione  ( Mig 29 , Su 27 e simili ) o gli ultimi tipi di contraerea , un Tornado avrebbe poco scampo a meno d'installare un  sistema di contromisure ultima moda , computer allo stato dell'arte e largo uso di fibre ottiche per aumentare la velocità di trasferimento dei dati . Lo stesso per uno Strike Eagle .

Se poi volessimo definire l'aereo FA35 anzichè solo " F 35 " , mi trovi d'accordo.

Il resto sta nello studiare tattiche e approntare munizionamento adeguato.

Per quanto riguarda l'estetica , per me gli aerei più belli , fra quelli della guerra fredda sono : 1) F-16 , 2 ) Mirage 2000, 3 ) F-15 .

 

 

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Grazie per evitarmi i formalismi, siamo sulla stessa lunghezza d onda per quanto riguarda le considerazioni su maneggevolezza e bellezza....il mio podio guerra fredda è  Mirage 2000 poi F15 monoposto e bronzo F16 

Non vorrei fare l errore di chi giudica e vieta il film via col vento a 80 anni dalla sua uscita, con gli occhi di un altra società,  altre priorità e altre sensibilità...alla stessa maniera chiaramente Il F35 odierno è superiore al tornado quasi in tutto ( forse solo il carico bellico in ton. potendo appendere al MRCA praticamente di tutto e trasformandolo da aereo ad un camion portabombe) ... specie per il  CAS BAI e soprattutto attacchi ad obbiettivi prioritari in profondità,  il concetto di bassa osservabilita garantisce una migliore sopravvivenza e riuscita della missione rispetto a sfrecciare a 1390 km hr a bassa quota . Ricordiamoci che anche nelle red flag  il nostro IDS all epoca batteva sia F111 che Jaguar e compagnia bella..poi gli americani ci insegnarono che il SEAD preventivo e il bombardamento da quote media teneva l attaccante al sicuro almeno dai 23 mm...ma rischiamo di uscire off topic. 

P.s mi trovi d accordo anche nel definire il LIGHTING 2 come F/A 35

 

Se vi interessa posso tentare una interpretazione dell articolo in inglese ( anzi americano) della uscita di maggio 2021 di Combat Aircraft che si intitola F35 ANGEL OR DEVIL? THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY OF THE JSF PROGRAM 

Naturalmente nella pagina F35

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Il 20/4/2021 in 19:35 , engine ha scritto:

Per quanto riguarda l'estetica, per me gli aerei più belli, fra quelli della guerra fredda sono: 1) F-16 , 2) Mirage 2000, 3) F-15 .

Se permetti ... aggiungerei, quale quarto, il Sukhoi Su-27 ... 🇷🇺

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Si ..assolutamente...ma il quarto non lo avevo considerato... vedo e rilancio con il Viggen ...( si capisce che ho un debole per i delta ?) Si potrebbe fare un contropodio..i 3 più brutti...come candidati vedrei bene il F117 il Lighting inglese il Su22 anche l F104 non aveva quelle proporzioni da sezione aurea..ma per esempio molti miei amici modellisti dicono che è meraviglioso ...de gustibus 

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F-35 americani in Francia per partecipare, assieme a Britannici e Francesi, all'esercitazione "Atlantic Trident 2021"...

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F-35s and Airmen from Hill Air Force Base, Utah, deployed to Europe this week to take part in multiple exercises, including a major France-led air exercise focused on integrating fourth- and fifth-generation aircraft.
The F-35s from the 4th Fighter Squadron touched down at Mont-de-Marsan Air Base, France, on May 10. 
The squadron is made up of Active-duty Airmen from the 388th Fighter Wing and Reservists from the 419th Fighter Wing. 
The base is hosting Atlantic Trident 21, which runs May 17-28, with participants from the U.S., France, and the United Kingdom.
This is the third iteration of the exercise, which will include “complex air operations in a contested multinational joint force environment” ...

... airforcemag.com ... https://www.airforcemag.com/hill-f-35s-deploy-to-france-for-atlantic-trident/ ...

Anche qui ... usafe.af.mil ...  https://www.usafe.af.mil/News/Press-Releases/Article/2575294/exercise-atlantic-trident-2021/

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Tagli in vista ... e in arrivo, in un futuro più o meno prossimo, NGAD e MR-X ...

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The Air Force will ask Congress to retire 421 legacy aircraft through 2026, replacing them with just 304 new fighters, according to fiscal 2022 budget talking points obtained by Air Force Magazine
The savings derived from operating a smaller fleet will be put toward acquiring new systems such as the Next-Generation Air Dominance fighter later this decade, and a new Multi-Role fighter, called MR-X, in the 2030s.
The 421 aircraft include a total phase-out of the aged F-15C/D fleet, numbering about 234 aircraft, by the end of fiscal 2026. 
The F-16 fleet would be reduced by 124 aircraft, mostly from what are called the “pre-block,” or oldest models, leaving a force of 812, also by the end of 2026. 
The A-10 attack plane would be reduced from 281 total aircraft to 218, for a reduction of 63 tails, but on a more aggressive timeline ending in fiscal 2023.
Over the future years defense plan ending in fiscal ’26, the Air Force would also bring on 84 new F-15EX and 220 F-35A fighters, resulting in a net reduction of 117 jets over the five-year period. 
The downsizing would be the largest since the “CAF Redux,” or Combat Air Forces Reduction of the early 2010s, in which USAF trimmed its fleet by about 250 airplanes.  
Air Force leaders have been pushing for several years to be allowed to retire legacy systems in order to pay for new ones that will be more relevant to the future fight, particularly in the Indo-Pacific theater. 
Service officials in recent days have said they plan to start phasing out the fifth-generation F-22 in 2030, to be replaced by the classified NGAD family of systems, known to be at least one manned fighter and potentially several unmanned variants. 
Like the NGAD, the new MR-X would also be designed using new digital methodology to drastically reduce design, development and fielding timelines, while sharply reducing sustainment costs by baking in a short service life, with the expectation that successor aircraft will follow swiftly.

... airforcemag.com ... https://www.airforcemag.com/air-force-wants-to-cut-421-old-fighters-buy-304-new-ones/ ...

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"Rocket Cargo" ... un programma che sa di fantascienza ...

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The Air Force wants to soon be able to deliver cargo from space, and it is putting real money behind the effort.
The Department of the Air Force announced June 4 that the “Rocket Cargo” effort is its fourth “Vanguard” program, joining the Skyborg wingman drone, the Golden Horde weapon swarming initiative, and the Navigation Technology Satellite 3 as top priorities to move from science and technology development to real-world programs.
The Department of the Air Force requested $47.9 million for Rocket Cargo development in its 2022 budget.
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... the Air Force Research Laboratory is leading studies to determine if using space launches to deliver material, and possibly personnel, across the globe within hours is viable.

... airforcemag.com ... https://www.airforcemag.com/rocket-cargo-air-force-fourth-vanguard/ ...

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"Exercise African Lion" ... questa notte il leone non dorme 🦁 ... 

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Several U.S. Air Force aircraft including F-16s, C-130s, and KC-135s have deployed to northern Africa for the continent’s largest exercise, African Lion.
The exercise drew 7,000 participants from nine nations and wraps up June 18 with USAF aircraft flying alongside Moroccan aircraft for close air support training and C-130s airdropping personnel.
“The arrival of fighters and tankers adds another level to this already dynamic exercise,” said Gen. Jeffrey L. Harrigian, U.S. Air Forces in Europe-Air Forces Africa commander ...
“Every flight brings another opportunity to work closely with our partners and exchange best practices so we can better pursue our shared goals.”

... airforcemag.com ... https://www.airforcemag.com/air-force-planes-morocco-exercise-african-lion/ ...

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Medio Oriente ... circolano voci di una prossima riduzione delle forze statunitensi presenti nell'area ...

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The Pentagon is planning to draw down the number of fighter squadrons and missile defense systems deployed in the Middle East as the U.S. seeks to reduce its footprint in the region, The Wall Street Journal reported.
Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III informed Saudi Arabia that the U.S. intends to withdraw Terminal High Altitude Area Defense and Patriot missile defense systems along with some fighter aircraft deployed there. 
The U.S. will also bring home fighters and missile defense systems from Iraq, Kuwait, and Jordan, the Journal reported.
Pentagon spokesman John F. Kirby would not confirm details, saying instead that the department regularly reviews capabilities and “the ability to sustain those capabilities and systems in whatever region they are deployed.”

... airforcemag.com ... https://www.airforcemag.com/reports-dod-planning-to-draw-down-forces-in-middle-east/ ...

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Caccia USAF attaccano milizie filo-iraniane presenti in Siria ...

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U.S. Air Force F-15E and F-16 aircraft on June 27 conducted strikes on three facilities on the Syria-Iraq border, where the Pentagon said Iranian-backed militias were building and storing the small drone weapons used to attack U.S. and partner bases in recent months.
The strikes hit buildings in As-Sisak, Al Hury, and Qasabat in Syria, with video released June 28 showing the buildings in rural areas destroyed by airstrikes. 
The buildings are linked to militias such as Kata’ib Hezbollah and Kata’ib Sayyid al-Shuhada, the Pentagon said ...

... airforcemag.com ... https://www.airforcemag.com/f-15es-and-f-16s-strike-militias-iraq-syria-border/ ...

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Una segnalazione quanto mai tempestiva ... 🔥

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An F-15 pilot with the 48th Fighter Wing at RAF Lakenheath, United Kingdom got to meet the civilian plane spotter who potentially saved his life.
In a Facebook post from RAF Lakenheath, 492nd Fighter Squadron pilot Maj. Grant Thompson was seen personally thanking Ian Simpson, a British aviation enthusiast.
Simpson happened to be watching planes take off at the base on July 13 when he noted that one F-15E Strike Eagle was seemingly spewing fire and sparks out of its right rear engine, but the pilot seemed unaware.
According to the BBC, Simpson said he called the base’s switch board and was connected with the 48th Fighter Wing field operations group. 
From there, Thompson was alerted to the issue and was able to land safely without incident, according to the Facebook post.

... airforcemag.com ... https://www.airforcemag.com/f-15-lakenheath-pilot-engine-malfunction/ ...

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Superlavoro per i reparti dotati dei C-130 "MAFFS" ... 🔥🔥🔥

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High temperatures and drought across the West are sparking an almost unprecedented operations tempo for Air Force firefighting C-130s and aircrews.
C-130s from three Air National Guard wings and an Air Force Reserve wing are flying missions with the Modular Airborne Firefighting System, supporting the U.S. Forest Service. 
Activated a month earlier this year than in 2020, they are flying at twice the pace as last year, fighting huge blazes including the Dixie Fire in Northern California.
“You can really see the impact,” said Col. Gary Monroe, commander of 1st Air Force (Air Forces Northern)’s 153rd Modular Airborne Firefighting System Air Expeditionary Group. 
“The heat, the drought, and all the conditions out there are just very bad for sparking wildfires. … That’s why we’re here, to help with that, and to mitigate any damage or suffering that’s out there for our neighbors, our friends, our families, our citizens all around us.”

... airforcemag.com ... https://www.airforcemag.com/air-force-firefighting-early-fire-season-c-130s/ ...

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Hermeus ... l'Air Force ha deciso di continuare ad investire ..

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The Air Force has made another investment in hypersonic aircraft, teaming up with venture capital firms to give a $60 million contract to startup Hermeus, which is looking to develop a jet that can travel at five times the speed of sound.
The deal, awarded July 30 and announced Aug. 5, is not the first time the Air Force has invested in Hermeus - a year ago, the service and the startup announced a contract worth $1.5 million to look into modifying the company’s still-in-development aircraft for the future Presidential and Executive Airlift fleet, most notably Air Force One.
Now, USAF is making a broader investment in Hermeus and looking into other potential uses for reusable hypersonic aircraft.

 ... airforcemag.com ... https://www.airforcemag.com/hypersonic-air-force-one-usaf-invests-startup-mach-5-jet/ ...

L'azienda ... hermeus.com ... https://www.hermeus.com/press-release-funded-to-flight

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Afghanistan ... gli Stati Uniti inviano i B-52 ... ⚡⚡⚡

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The United States has sent B-52 bombers and Spectre gunships to Afghanistan in a bid to stop Taliban insurgents who are marching towards three key cities.
The B-52s are flying into Afghanistan from an airbase in Qatar, hitting targets around Kandahar, Herat, and Lashkar Gah in Helmand province ...

... military.com ... https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/08/08/us-b-52-bombers-gunships-sent-action-afghanistan-attempt-stop-taliban-advance-key-cities.html ...

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In Islanda per una missione di deterrenza in Europa e Africa ...

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A trio of B-2s from Whiteman Air Force Base, Mo., arrived in Iceland on Aug. 24, ahead of a Bomber Task Force mission in which they will conduct training across Europe and Africa.
The bombers and their crews, from the 509th Bomb Wing, will integrate with NATO allies and regional partners during their deployment.
“Regularly cooperating bomber activities with allies and partners helps us better address challenges in today’s complex global security environment,” said Gen. Jeffrey L. Harrigian, U.S. Air Forces in Europe-Air Forces Africa commander, in a press release. 
“Strong partnerships are essential to our ability to deter, defend, and win.”

... airforcemag.com ... https://www.airforcemag.com/b-2s-from-whiteman-deploy-to-iceland-for-bomber-task-force/ ...

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Prosegue il dispiegamento dei B-2 in Europa ... faranno una capatina anche in Italia?

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A pair of U.S. Air Force B-2s integrated with Norwegian F-35s over the North Sea on Sept. 8, as part of a recent Bomber Task Force deployment.
The mission was “designed to test escort procedures, stand-off weapon employment, and the suppression and destruction of air defenses,” U.S. Air Forces in Europe-Air Forces Africa said in a press release. 
During the flight, the two different aircraft were able to link and use fifth-generation data sharing capabilities.
“The mission demonstrates the value of our continued presence and relationships,” said Gen. Jeffrey L. Harrigian, U.S. Air Forces in Europe-Air Forces Africa commander, in a statement. 
“What our collective Airmen accomplish on these missions is vital to our alliance and maintaining agility as we move into the future.”

... airforcemag.com ... https://www.airforcemag.com/whiteman-b-2s-bomber-task-force-norway-f-35s/ ...

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Danneggiato dopo un atterraggio di emergenza ...

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A B-2 bomber is lying damaged on the side of the runway at Whiteman Air Force Base, Mo., after a crash early Sep.14. 
Air Force Global Strike Command is withholding information about the condition of the aircraft and the operational status of Whiteman’s sole runway, but no one was injured in the mishap.
The unidentified aircraft - most of the 20 B-2s are named for a state - “experienced an inflight malfunction during a routine training mission” at about 12:30 a.m. local time, an AFGSC spokeswoman said. 
It was damaged on the runway “after an emergency landing,” she said. 
There were no personnel injuries and no fire as a result of the accident, and no munitions were aboard the aircraft, she said. 
Further details will be provided after an investigation.
Global Strike Command issued a notice to Airmen (NOTAM) shortly after the accident to keep at least six miles away from the base. 
The initial notice said the airspace would be restricted through Sept. 17. 
The reason for the NOTAM was given as “to provide a safe environment for accident investigation.”

 ... airforcemag.com ... https://www.airforcemag.com/b-2-crash-whiteman-no-injuries-status-of-operations-withheld/ ...

Anche qui ... thedrive.com/the-war-zone ... https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42392/damaged-b-2-spirit-is-sitting-wing-down-off-the-runway-after-landing-mishap ...

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