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Jan den Das

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  1. On the site Avia-it.com there is an article with interresting information concerning the C.A. AP.1

    The last build project mentioned there is the C.P.3, this was an AP.1 with retractable landing gear.

    There are dimensions and a drawing.

    Who can help me with more inforemtion, such as, which were the differens between the AP.1 and C.P.3.

    History of the C.P.3.

    Pictures of the C.P.3 which also shows several details, such as landing gear.

    Other interresting details materials?



  2. Thank you for that scan.

    I thank some one started an article on wikipede and made an mistake and so is the Breda A-1 started and I am happy that I am not the only one who thinks there is never been a Breda A-1. I think it started with the B-1 an arliner based on the Caproni bomber who was build at the Breda factory during the war.

    You offered me to send more scans from that encoclopedia, this would be welcome.

    During my inquiry I found that pre war articles gives a lot of technical etc. details also of the lesser known types.

    I have alreday several scans/copies of the Breda pages of Jane's, not yet complete.

    But also several articles from old Italian magazines.

    So it would be very helpfull if you will scan the Breda pages from these encyclopedias.

    Thanks you for your help.

    With regards


  3. Thank you for the information.

    The only materials I have concerning the Italian Aviatiks are the article from Storia Militare by Achille Vigna and a copy of the part manual of the S.A.M.L. A type.

    Using the site you mention I found the following, interresting, details concerning the civil registered Aviatiks, mentioned in that article.

    I-BAIS , Aviatik A-2

    I-BAOO , Macchi Aviatik

    I-BAHP , Calori A-1

    I-AAAD , Aviatik A-2

    I-AADG , Aviatik A-2

    I-AZCB , Aviatik A-2

    I-BACD , Aviatik A-2

    Interresting to see that 2 where not named Aviatik, I think thats possible that something was also happened with some of the Aviatiks used at the Breda flying school???.

    On the russian site airwar.ru they mention the Breda A.1 and the show a picture of the I-BATC and a drawing, on the picture the two places are behind each other, but the drawings is a site by site version. This drawing is an earley drawing of the Breda A-4.

    Concerning the I-BATC the following details: Elettroferrovaria A-3.

    The details concerning I found on the site of gavs wich you mentionde.

    What was Elettroferrovaria??, this aeroplane was from the Breda flyingschool.

    Do you know how I can get a copy of the article I mentioned in my previous request, I think this could be interrested and gives (maybe) an answer if the type Breda A-1 ever was used or if that was a conclusion by some one?

    I hope you, or some one else, can be of any help?



  4. For some time I try to find details etc. concerning the Breda A.1, or any prove if this ype ever exist, but without any results.

    Mostly they I received to look at Airwar.ru, but this and most other sites give they same source, wich I dont trust. There is one picture of an aeroplane which should be an A.1 but when I am checking the serial than its mentioned as an Aviatik and these were build at S.A.M.L. If the A.1 ever excist it should have been a changed modified S.A.M.L. A.3.

    So y questions: who can help me with the changes made to the A.3 so it would be an A.1, and if possible drawings and/or pictures of theA.1.

    There was one site there was one source mentioned which is interrested and I hope some one can help me with scans of it?

    In Annhuario dell'Aeronautica Italiana 1929-1930, Milano, Ed. Libreria Aeronautica, by Jotti de Badia Polesine, was something about the A.1.

    I hope someone could help me and concerning the last question, at least let me know how I can get this.



  5. Hai


    A lot op people interrested in historical aviation know about the Breda A.14 bomber, only prototype.

    Most people dont know about the Breda A.13.

    Well this is the same aeroplane, but because that there are people who has problems with 13 is this changed in 14.

    I found this information in l'Aeronautice from May 1925.



    At the Taliedo airschow in 1919 was at the Breda stand a biplane canard the Ardea-Bergonzi, which also was named Bergonzi-Tonini.

    The only this I found is that Bergonzi and Tonini designed and build before the Great War already two Canard monoplanes.

    Who can help me with all kind of information/materials concerning the Ardea?




  6. CAB build the Breda SC.4 and SCA.5

    During my inquiry concerning Breda aeroplanes and projects I can not find any good details about these two types.

    Now I hope that you can help me with the following details/materials:


    1. Dimensions;

    2. Drawings;

    3. Pictures;

    4. History;

    5. Other interrestingd details materials.




  7. Several years ago I started an inquiry and collecting everything, concerning aeroplanes/projects of Breda.

    I received the information that there is a book from 1971, Aeroplani d'Italia, monografie di aeroplani e construttori italiani.

    Sometime ago I ask on the froum if some one could help me, without succes.

    A few days ago I found that the Biblioteca Braidense in Milano had this book.

    On my request if it is possible to scan the Breda pages I received a positive answer, but after that I received an email that it was not possible because several pages were to big for the scanner.

    Now is my question, who lives in Milano and will help me to scan the Breda pages? If there are any costs please let me now.

    I hope some will help me to find details about Breda and put them together is just like a jig saw puzzle.




  8. Hi


    I received from some one the pages of the Breda Ba.44, from Aeroplani d'Italia - Monografie di aeroplani e construttori italiani.

    The source send me a scan of the only pages he had.

    But there was also a page 1 which gives an impression of a big part of the book, which showed that they had the whole line of Breda aeroplanes mentioned.

    I have tried the internet but no result, so now my questions:


    1. How can I get this book?

    2. Who has this book and will scan the Breda pages for me?


    I would be very pleased, this would be ver helpfull with my Breda inquiry.




  9. Hallo

    In seceretprojects I found the following information concerning the Breda A.1 or Breda 1:

    Breda A.1 -- 1924 4-bay biplane light a/c, 1 x 140 hp Colombo 110D, 10.20m span
    - A.1: Derived from SAML* A-3 (in turn, derived from licenced Aviatik designs)
    -- * Società Anonima Meccanica Lombarda took on Aviatik's designer, Robert Wild.

    This sounds verywell and when you look under the Breda A.1 in the site airwar.ru, you find a picture of the I-BECT, but this is mentioned in the register as Aviatik and the drawing they showed is from one of the earley prototypes of the Breda A.4


    Is there any one who can give me more information/drawings/pictures/dimenesions/etc.etc. concerning the Breda A.1??



  10. Hi Jan. The matter you're speaking about is very interesting, but it is about rare aircraft and far in the time for me.

    I found this. It's written in russian language. But, with Google translator, maybe....



    Hi Hobo

    Thanks, but these pages I have already found.

    I hope that some one, at least, can help me with impressions/information/etc. concerning the construction, at least the fuselage.

    It is also far before my time.




  11. Hi

    During the twenties the Italian Breda factory designed and build a few biplane bombers, from which were only build prototype.

    Its concerning the following types:


    Breda A.3, was powered with four SPAD 200 hp engines (2 in tandem);

    Breda A.8, was powered with two Isotta-Fraschini Asso 500 hp engines ( aeroplane based on the A.3);

    Breda A.14, was powered with three Bristol radial 450 hp engines;

    this aero plane was later rebuild as passenger aero plane.


    I am interrested in:

    1. History;

    2. Colors;

    3. Drawings;

    4. Dimensions;

    5. Pictures;

    6. Drawings/pictures who gives an impression of construction of several parts;

    7. Other interresting details/materials.


    Please dont mention the site of airwar.ru and others, because these pages I already found.




  12. Hi

    Thanks for the site.

    But this picture I have seen several times.

    On the site Airwar.ru I have seen this picture but the drawing they showed was different, but you know this site is not 100%.

    The registration on this aero plane is on the name of Breda and the aero plane is an Aviatik.

    The two seat version of the Pensuti three plane build by Breda was a side-by-side.

    The A.2 and A.4 side-by-side.

    It will surprise me if the A.1 was not a side-by-side.



  13. Hi

    Who can help me with information/materials concerning the Breda A.1?

    The A.1 was a smaller version of the later wellknown A.4.

    I am interrested in:

    1. History (how many build);

    2. how and in which colors were they painted;

    3. Technical and construction details;

    4. At least a three side view drawing;

    5. Pictures;

    6. Other interresting information/materials.




  14. Hai

    Who can help me with information concerning the Colombo 110/110D aero engines?

    My interests are, drawings (left/right/front/back/top) and dimensions (length/height/wide) technical details, pictures, etc.

    Further all kind of interesting information.



  15. My compliments with the article I am very pleased.

    A question, how and in which colors were the aero planes painted during there civil period with Littoria?


    Concerning Littoria, they used also the Breda Ba.32 is there also such a history and how was it painted.


    Again my compliments.


  16. Help needed

    Breda A.1

    The only information I could find is the site of Airwar.ru.

    You can find on the page of the A.1 a picture and a drawing.

    The picture shows two cockpits behind each other and the drawing side-by-syde.

    The serial I-BACT was registered on 14.12.22 to Breda, Taliedo Destroyed 12.35 and the plane was aa Aviatik A-3.

    So I think (I am sure) that the picture is not correct.

    The drawing could be correct, because the B.2 had a side-by-syde and also the B.4.


    Who has more information/materials concerning the A.1???



    Breda A.4

    Concerning this type I found a little bit more, but not much.

    The pager of the A-4 of Airwar.ru showes a picture with the I-AAAL.

    But the I-AAAL was registered to Breda, Sesto San Giovanni on 11.02.30 and was destroyed 04.33 and the type was a Breda Ba.9bis (the cockpits are behind each other)

    This type should be have used private and military.

    I found that one was gone to Argentina R-189 and I found the following civil Italian registration I-AAAH, AAAI, -AAAJ, -BAAR,



    The Ba.4 was build in 3 versions, A-4 with a Colombo 110D engine, A-4HS same as the A-4 but with a Hispano-Suiza engine and the A-4idro.


    Who has more information/materials concerning the A.4. Are that all the civil used planes I mentioned and how many and serials concerning the military used.


    My interrests are: history/drawings/dimensions (as much as possible)/pictures/colors, but also construction details (and pictures/drawings which gives these details) technical information etc.


    I have the civil registration from the site Golden Years of aviation after contact the webmaster he told me that they are not complete.

    Is there some on who knows more about the Italian civil aircraft registrations?




  17. Marco

    I think a misunderstanding.

    My contact with China is to get information/materials concerning the three types Breda (25, 27 and 28) who were used there.

    The prototypes I am looking for information/material are the two Ba.27.


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